I know some industrialist types that benefit greatly in-game from shooty-shooty PVP.

Rule #34 (no, not that one)

" War is good for business. "

Really? You are 100% sure of that after playing less than a year?

What do you believe PVP stands for?

FW plex hunting, when youGÇÖre not in a militia, low-sec roams, gate camping, high-sec corp wardecs, high-sec ganking or missioner baiting

Moving the goalposts to defend your OP invalidates your position..

You said there was no in-game benefit, and I presented one. You then said industrialists did not organize PVP and when challenged you now want to change your position to something else.

PVP = Player vs Player. Not Pewer vs Pewer.

The term can be applied to the player driven market as well as combat activities. Actually trade and heavy industry can be a more ruthless arena to engage in than combat and requires significant preparation and execution. It's one of the few areas you can excel as a solo player.

If your ingame activities are measured in terms of profitability you will probably find it a bit difficult to understand the appeal of player driven combat.

I see your point though. Generally combat isn't a great earner, which is annoying for people who hate grinding to fund their hobby. If anything it's a time and ISK sink, which you have to finance by taking up a second job in the form of a mini-profession.

Every time you go on a date to try to make a gf/bf/get laid you are pvping, not in a violent way, but your are trying to outmaneuver your partner to each your own goal.

Correct, that's is still a form of pvping. Any and all human interaction is a form of pvping. You may care about someone and want to date and be with them, so you will do things to try and 'win them over' by either, being nice, kind, sweet, treating them like trash, whatever. You are still interacting with someone and using the tools you have to try and make the like and want to be with you. And not just in dating, you treat various people differently for various reasons. There is prolly a friend that you are 'nice to' and another that you trash talk with and others might say you treat like dirt, but that's your relationship with said person. Its all about adapting and competeing for whatever your goal or prize is. You just do it without thinking about it, cause its ingrain in your thought process.

Its not a douche observation if you actually think about it. We as humans are selfish creatures, but when we want to be without, we fight out own nature to try and be what they want. *shrugs* you just do it without even really thinking about it. But in dating you are competing against others with the same goal, being with someone you are interested in. you just have to be whatever they want most.

And no, not really a douche irl, a blunt ******* as my wife will agree to, but douche? naw.

I'm fighting to restore Pithum C-Type Invulnerability Fields to 500+ mil a piece. It's a small goal, but a tough fight, and I'm not having much success. Perhaps in part because I can't be arsed to play this game every day. Give me a hand?

Pod loss is an isk sink. You have to update your clone and if you have any implants those cost isk.

But I adore Mr. J.

You say that like there aren't wars over belts in high sec

And a lot of missioners get ganked regularly enough to drive them from the system they were using

While I do engage in random pvp for me it's not about the mindless destruction it's more about pitting my mind against someone else's.
Trying to work out a better ship and fit then your potential opponent.
Finding someone who you believe would make a excellent target.
Hunting said target down and try to catch him in a position that works to your advantage.
Picking the perfect moment to strike .
Useing my modules, range and ship to its fullest potential and finally getting my target.
I find all of these things much more entertaining then the feeling that I've destroyed something.
Though the explosion at the end is nice.